Counter-Response to Guthrie [Question 1]

Kevin Tierney


     When Guthrie replied to my rebuttal, he deemed it utter nonsense that I claim the Protestant interpretation of scriptures eventually becomes "Me, The Bible, and the Holy Spirit, and I'm right because I know it." I would honestly believe that Flavius Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews does not have as many interpretations as, lets say, the Protestant view of baptism. All of the 5 major camps on baptism, let "scripture interpret scripture" yet they can't agree. And Mr. Guthrie cannot say baptism isn't essential, for Scripture constantly equates baptism in some form with salvation, such as when Christ told Nicodemus you must be born of water and spirit to enter the kingdom, then went and baptized. Even Luther would view those against baptism damned, and Zwingli (of the Anabaptists) would likewise do the same. Each goes by scripture alone, so how do they resolve it? They don't, they just start competing denominations, such as the Radical Reformers did.

     Mr. Guthrie then makes the common blunder of Protestant Apologists, accusing Catholics of exercising the very private judgment we are against. As I will provide in a link at the end of this, this is clearly not the case.(1)

     Mr. Guthrie then wants to clarify Luther, not only did James give him trouble, we know he took it out of the Bible, believed James taught salvation by works, and claimed no Apostle wrote it. He put himself as the judge of Christianity by removing books from Sacred Scripture, Old and New Testament. So the attempt to rescue Luther for desecrating Sacred Scripture fails, his private judgment put James and Paul against each other. (Not to mention Paul and Peters Epistles against and over the Gospels.)

     In a written debate, there are these nasty little things called word limits (and I do hate them) so I can't provide a full context of what Calvin had said, although a fuller reading of his Institutes (which I plan on writing an indepth piece on in the future) will show Calvin's utter dismissal of certain Apostolic works in favor of others. The error is an error due to time constraints.

     Guthrie has still yet to show an adequate source of authority to settle disputes where one lets "Scripture interpret scripture." Even the heretics quote scripture, as Mr. Guthrie's witness to Mormons should be plainly evident. I personally debate Jehovah's witnesses all the time, and they can quote scripture better than most Evangelicals, yet this doesn't make them right. They let scripture interpret scripture in their debates with Protestants, yet their ability to use scripture doesn't help them, since even Satan quotes scripture. Satan let "scripture interpret scripture" yet this doesn't make him right. When there were problems in the Early Church, they didn't grab out their scrolls of scriptures, and compare verses, they held a council at Jerusalem, and passed down a binding decision, which could not be deviated from if one were to hold the true faith.

 

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1. See http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ469.HTM.



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